What if the thing you've been trying to avoid is the very thing that heals you?

We don't know how to grieve. Not really. We've been taught to hurry our grief, spiritually bypass lament, and sanitize our suffering — leaving a lot of us with an “emaciated theology of suffering,” and no place to take our pain.

In this honest and tender conversation, Bible teacher, author, and award-winning broadcaster Rebecca Carrell joins me to talk about what it means to grieve well. We dig into why deep grief is not a lack of faith but an alignment with the Holy Spirit. We walk through what Jesus's response to Mary and Martha teaches us about showing up for people in pain. We talk about why a good ugly cry is one of the most healing things you can do. And we wrestle together with one of the hardest truths about grief: that it isn't one loss. It's a thousand small ones, stacked inside each other, resetting every time you wake up.

If you've ever been told you're too tender, too emotional, or too slow to heal — this episode is for you. If you've ever stood at the edge of someone else's grief and not known what to do — this one is for you too.

Grief is not the enemy of faith. It never was. Let's make the holy shift.